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Bonus Episode: We Will Go Down With This Ship

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This week, rainbow and em discuss the major ships we met in season one. We get into favorite tropes, fics, and more! 
 
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rainbow


00:09

Hello everyone and welcome to Fly a Queer Haikyuu podcast. I'm Rainbow they she.

em


00:14

And I'm Em, and today we are in our most self-indulgent episode thus far. It's a bonus episode and it's about ships. This is the worst nightmare of every person in fandom. That's like why do you have to make everything about ships, baby? This whole episode is about ships.

rainbow


00:32

We're gonna talk about all the ships we could think of from season one, even rare pairs, we're gonna talk. Talk a little less about those, I think, because there's just not as much.

em


00:40

We'll see what kind of time we have Future M here, hi. So we went into this episode with a long list of pairings that we wanted to talk about and we quickly realized that we were only going to get through the main pairing or else this would have been a three hour long episode and frankly, we don't have the time. So we are going to talk about all of the main quote, unquote classic ships this episode. But hang tight, next time we do a little break episode, we will get more into the rare pairs, but for this episode we're just going to talk about the classics. And back to present day, go, just imagine. You know we're between seasons. This is our lunch break where we can gossip about who's fucking who.

rainbow


01:18

Exactly, and we are speaking of fucking. We are going to, we are fucking the two of us a lot,  no, but we are going to talk. We're going to have a little spoilers in section where we're going to take those main ships and we're going to talk about the ships in the time skip, so we can talk about things a little bit more explicitly. We can get. We can get a little r-rated, because that's age appropriate all right, are we ready to get into this?

em


01:42

let's do it. We're going. Gonna start off with mommy and daddy. I know some of you hate that, so I'm just kidding, but it's Daisuga baby, oh Daichi and Suga, the co-captains of the ship. I should say that is Karasuno.

rainbow


01:55

Yes, they are the co-captains. We love them. So what do you like about the ship?

em


02:00

Oh, yeah, and we should say we're gonna have a set of questions for each ship that we're gonna talk about and we're gonna start off with, like, what do you like and dislike? We're gonna also talk about if you have tags for this ship, like for a fanfic, what would you tag this ship? What are some of your favorite fics for this ship? And if you don't have, if we don't have favorite fics, what kind of tropes and AUs would we like to see for this ship that we haven't seen before? So daisuga, you know, I just like, I just love their and I'm not like a super I don't think I really read many daisuga fic, like, I'm not super passionate about them or anything, but I do love their relationship as it is.


02:34

I love that Daichi really rides for suga and suga, I think, checks Daichi really well. Like we were just talking in episode 25 how Daichi was ready to try and do the responsible thing and step away from the team and let the first and second years take over, and Suga was the one to be like hey, do you really want to do that? Like, let's see this through to the end. I also love a ship where only one person can talk down to the other, and it's explicitly said how. Suga is the only one who can kind of like scold Daichi, so that's always. That's a trope. I eat with a spoon and yeah no, I just feel like there's a lot of pure love between them. I don't really have anything that I dislike, except that, again, I'm just not super passionate about them, but they're a staple in this household.

rainbow


03:16

Yeah, I echo everything that you said. They're giving established relationship Very much. They're giving like the older, like the, the older gay couple that helps the younger, newer gays, even maybe some of the ones who aren't out like, understand their feelings, like I think I've seen this in in fics and I definitely headcanon this myself that, like Suga, is very much a part of Kageyama understanding his gay feelings yeah like I don't know if there's got to be a fic out there, if not, I want to see this written, kind of jumping ahead I guess.

03:49

But I would love, like a, something where, like, Daichi is like a mentor to hinata and suga is a mentor to kageyama. It could be an au, it could be canon compliant and then separately, they're each helping them understand their feelings I feel like I've definitely seen that before. I mean it, just it makes sense. I don't dislike the mom and dad thing. I think that's fun. I do I think I've said before but I kind of see them as both moms in a way.

04:12

I see them more as like a lesbian couple yes yes,  because and and that's very much from like a western perspective, I think  because, like Daichi is on that court and he is with him. I think you could almost argue, if you're looking at it from like a like a toxic heteropatriarchy view, like Suga is kind of the one who, like is, is less involved with the kids and could be more of the dad and Daichi is more of the mom, but, also, they could just be non-gendered parents.

em


04:40

Yeah, and I think that's what people, people don't like, you know, making it so gendered and so heteronormative and I I get that, but like if we're talking about it in a light-hearted sense, like whatever, yeah, what tags do you have for the ship? So you said established relationship. Yeah, they're definitely established relationship. I just feel like they're like there's not a lot of drama or angst with them, like they would be a coffee shop au, they would be fluff yeah, I was gonna say they're definitely fluff.

05:08

I'll do fluff and smut with them, for sure yeah a little bit of crack, because suga's in there maybe I feel like Daichi, because Daichi just gives me such straight energy in some ways that, like maybe he would have like like Daichi, confused Daichi feelings yeah, yeah, I could see that I I definitely could see suga being the one who just like, is more like, settled in his queerness and Daichi just didn't really think that way.

rainbow


05:36

Like you know, I see I had canon Daichi as bisexual, yeah, and so I could see it being like oh yeah, I like girls, I like girls. And then you meet suga and he's like what is this? Okay, yeah. And then do you have any favorite fics for this ship Again?

em


05:51

No, I don't know. I'm sure I have, in my time, have read some sort of like short Daisuga fic, but they're usually the background characters. If I wanted to read them in anything, maybe I would want to put them in something a little more dramatic, because you'd expect like just a regular, like getting together fic, you know what? No, actually I I'd read like a getting together. I love a getting together fic in general. Yes, so yeah, I'd like to read about how they they come to be okay.

rainbow


06:20

Well, in that case, I have two, two fics that come to mind immediately when I think of Daisuke. The first one is a hilarious fic which I cannot remember the name of, and I hate myself, for I literally was like this whole time while you were talking. I was half listening, half scrolling through my bookmarks yeah trying to find it.

06:37

I found one of them, but the one that I'm thinking of is a very funny fic where I think it might even be a one-shot, where Daichi, at the end of second year, confesses to Suga confesses in quotation marks, okay, spoiler alert for this fic, by the way, yeah. But so Daichi confesses to Suga, but he does it by saying, like in a really db boy way, where he's like I want to play volleyball with you forever. That's a real kagey forever. That's a real Kageyama move. That's a real Kageyama move, yeah. And so Suga's just like, oh, ok. And so they go into third year with Daichi thinking they're together and Suga thinking they're just friends, and Daichi's like so they meet up to walk to school on the first day. And Daichi's like, well, we should hold hands or hug or something. And then they don't. And so suga or Daichi's just like well, maybe suga wants to take things slow, then slowly.

07:31

It's like they hold hands, they hug, and then they're like about to go to the tokyo training camp and Daichi sleeps over at suga's house and Daichi's like I, I think we should kiss. And suga's like what? And Daichi's like you know to practice. And suga's like oh, practice kissing, . And so they kiss and it gets pretty hot and heavy, t-rated, but still . And then they go to the training camp and then, like I guess Kuroo and Daichi have talked about how Daichi confessed, and so Kuroo is the one who reveals it and suga's like wait, I'm your, I'm your boyfriend. Daichi's like you didn't know, and it was just so funny, I'm really not doing it justice.

em


08:01

It's really hilarious well, this sounds like it could just be a kagehina fic. I'll tell you not to take away from this. This is great, but that is giving me such kagehina vibes. Yeah, but Daichi, I think, is clueless enough.

rainbow


08:13

Like I think that's still very much, yeah, yeah no, and I mean, and I'll say the way it's written, it's like I think one thing I like about it is the characters feel very in character. Yes, because like the way Kageyama would handle that would be very different from the way Daichi handles it, like the you know, the premise itself I think could be applied to probably a few different ships For sure, but that, like the actual writing of it was, I was like this is very Daisuke.

em


08:37

Oh, my God, you need to send that to me now. I need to find it. It's lost now.

rainbow


08:47

But the other fic,  is a really good one, called a second chance. It's really long. It's like romance novel coded, where Daichi is a single dad to kageyama, who is six years old and they just moved to a new town to start over and Daichi is working for Iwaizumi and kageyama goes to elementary school and suga is the nurse and so they meet and Oikawa is the principal and Oisuga are best friends and Oikawa's with Wyzmy there's a lot of good ships in there and Hinata and Kageyama become best friends in in elementary school and it's very cute but, it's.

09:15

it's really really good. It's got some drama, it's definitely I'm looking at the tags now oh it's, it's a, it's an American AU. It's set set in the US. Businessman Daichi, nurse Sugawara, domestic Fluff, eventual Smut. It's got some angst, it's got some hor. It's really good, it's really cute All right.

em


09:32

Next up is AsaNoya, the underrated ship of the season. Ladies and gentlemen, maybe perhaps taken so for granted that the people forget about them, or maybe I'm just in the wrong circles of fandom, but I have seen this sentiment repeated, where AsaNoya just kind of gets forgotten about a lot. But they are one of my favorite classics.

rainbow


09:49

I mean, yeah, they are the ship that really cemented to me that Haikyuu was going to be gay and that I was going to be into that. They had the first, like breakup makeup arc. Yeah, like, with the exception of the first episode. Like those episodes are the gayest, yes, in season one, for sure, like it's so really. Yeah, like Noya refusing to play because asahi didn't come back is something.

em


10:14

It's just like I don't know and that's one of the first time that I feel like well, I mean, maybe not, but like we see, because we have kagehina, who like volleyball above everything right, and now we have a genius player like Noya, who is putting his personal relationships before the ball yes, and yeah, that's definitely something like.

Rainbow

10:31

It really shows that, like, just because you're amazing at the sport doesn't mean the sport has to be your whole life, like it is with kageyama, yeah. So what do we like and or dislike about this ship? If there's anything, anything you dislike, is there anything not to like?

em


10:45

There's nothing I dislike. I like that they're so opposites attract.

rainbow


10:49

Yes.

em


10:49

Their heights and personalities.

rainbow


10:51

Yes, they've got the size difference. They've got the loud and the shy combination. They've got long hair, short hair. Yeah, I really love that. I think the only thing I dislike is that we don't get to see more interactions yeah, kind of past season one or even kind of past that like section honestly yeah, they're very background after season one.

11:12

Yeah, which is is upsetting because they're a good ship, but you know, they're fun and I think that I think we've talked about this, but that's probably why there's a little bit less of it in the fandom is because we don't have that sustained. Yeah, canon content, like we do with a lot of the other ships. Yeah, although I would argue like we get just as much asaNoya as we do daisuga. So I don't know, I don't know what it is.

em


11:34

Anyway, we love it okay, so what tags would we give this ship?

rainbow


11:38

opposites attract of course, of course I like a little fluff and smut for them as well. Yeah, I like a little bit of angst. I feel like if it because that's how they started their canon is angsty?

em


11:48

Yeah, I think that there would be, especially if they are dating as teenagers. I think it'd be a lot more tumultuous, like I think things would calm down as adults.

rainbow


12:00

but because Nishinoya is such a big think that's, that's kind of something, and I think maybe we talked about this when we talked about their episodes. But my headcanon for like that fight, you know, if we're looking at it from a romantic angle is like there was a lot of like maybe they were just starting to start a relationship and, you know, asahi's like timidness, yeah, very much like affected that.

em


12:22

Like he's not just being a coward on the court, he's being a coward in their lives exactly.

rainbow


12:27

Yeah, he's being a coward in his heart yeah.

em


12:29

No, I feel like obviously we're just supposed to think that the intensity is just all about volleyball.

rainbow


12:34

But I mean, if we add that context, I think it makes a lot more sense why we're so upset yeah, yeah, that's yeah, when looking at high, like volleyball as a metaphor for gay love really makes a lot of their intensity seem less silly.

em


12:49

Yes.

rainbow


12:50

It really like, it adds like a depth to it that just isn't there quite as much, even if you look at. Even if it's not romantic, like if you look at it like you know it has like a friendship thing, it's like where it's like, it's it's I'll put it this way it's not just about the volleyball, it's about their relationships and that's what makes it so intense, because they're building these bonds and a lot of them are gay. , anyway, any other tags for this ship? No, not that I can think of. Okay, do you have any favorite fics for them?

em


13:21

I do have one. I have not read a ton. I'll say I'm pretty. One tracktrack minded with the fanfic I read mostly Kagehina Rainbow will be a lot more helpful because they have read a lot more like of a variety of ships. But Esselle who if you're a Kagehina truther you know who Esselle is. She is a huge writer in the fandom but one of her like I think it's literally her first fic listed is this place in the sky and it is them as gods, or at least like I think Nishinoya is a god or something like that. And I haven't read it in a hot minute, I went and looked it up but I enjoyed it. So recommend if again, if you haven't read a cell, go check them out, because it's amazing.

rainbow


14:03

Yeah, absolutely prolific writer. I actually don't know if I've read that one, but I should.

em


14:08

It's like the first fic listed.

rainbow


14:09

It's pretty good. Wow, wow. I love the idea that Esselle started out as AsaNoya and then took a hard turn into Kagehina. I'm not sure it's Baldur's Gate fic. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Anyway, yeah, very much Asterion. Yeah, fic, yeah.

14:23

So I haven't read that one, I've read a couple. I will say there are not nearly enough AsaNoya Fix out there. They are included in a lot of Fix where you have like a lot of different ships involved and you know, I love to see them. But the two that I'm thinking of, I can't remember the name of one of them, but it's like a cute one where they like fall asleep on each other's shoulders in the back of the bus or something. But there's one out there that is kind of like. It's like the awesome Noya ship, as far as I can tell, and it's called vienna, waits for you. Okay, I don't know where that title, promising title, vienna's not involved. , it is. It's a really good fic, I will say I I question the how in character Noya is at some points, but it is.

15:09

It's an explicit fic and it's I think it's clearly written before the time scheme came out, or it's canon divergence, because Noya's in college and he's not doing so great. And he comes home and he, he meets up with Asahi again. They just run into each other and Asahi isn't in college but he's just working and they just they kind of start this relationship together and it slowly grows into something more romantic and Asahi really helps Noya figure out. Well, for one thing it's also kind of a Noya like coming out kind of thing, realizing he's bisexual and Asahi is gay. And and it's very funny because, like he realizes that like he, like you, you know, he didn't realize he was gay in high school. But then looking back on it, he's like oh that's what, why I was so upset when he didn't want to play volleyball.

em


15:50

Oh my God, the post high school realization is so real, folks. Let me tell you.

rainbow


15:55

Oh my God, yeah, absolutely yeah, for sure. So, and yeah, vienna waits for you. I think I found it because I saw some like art on like Twitter or something. I you, I think I found it because I saw some like art on like twitter or something. I was like this was inspired by vienna waits for you and I was like, okay, well, what's that?

em


16:09

and it's a multi-chapter fic and it's explicit yeah, a fic I would love to read of them is like a travel fic. Either they meet on the road or it's like a road trip thing together and they like fall in love.

rainbow


16:23

Well, one of the future fics I have planned is that I think I've told you about it like a series of hostile au's yes, and asaNoya is definitely has to be in that one. Yeah, I would definitely like something like that. I'd love more canon compliant fic with them.

16:37

Honestly yeah I can't think of anything like, yeah, like a coffee shop au. I honestly, with asaNoya, I just want more, like, just give me more. I want whatever people are willing to write. I'm willing to read pretty much maybe not so much m-preg, but I would. I do like I don't read a ton of omega verse, but I would love, like I like the idea of like alpha Noya and should this go in the spoiler zone but Alpha Noya and Omega Asahi, or even switch it up vice versa, because then you have an Omega who doesn't act like an Omega and an Alpha that doesn't act like an Alpha. And I love when we dismantle stereotypes. Moving on to our homoerotic friendship, Tsukishima.

em


17:24

TsukiYama the definition of that homoerotic best friend you had in high school where you didn't realize you were pretty much dating who has the post high school feelings? Realization first well, I would say Tsukishima would be post high school.

rainbow


17:39

I think yamaguchi kind of realizes it during school I could see that I was actually thinking the opposite, where Tsukishima is quietly in love with Yamaguchi the whole time. But, just as like. Well, that's okay, I'll just sit with these feelings, and that's one of the reasons he's so bitter and hates Kageyama so much.

em


17:56

That would make sense to like. There's definitely some form of like repression going on with him, either that he's aware of or that he's not aware of. Yeah, and maybe Yamaguchi's like isn't this?

rainbow


18:06

just how you feel about your best friend. That's yeah, that's it. That's exactly what I was thinking and I think of like to it. Yeah, and I think of Yamaguchi's like current worry, where it's like where I could see him like going to Tsukishima and being like a pretty girl. Tried to talk to me, but she just wanted to talk to me. Talk to me about you. I could set it up for you if you want. And Tsukishima's like absolutely not. Do you want to go home and play dinosaurs?

em


18:27

yeah, first, like it's just he's. Tsukishima is kind of like a Kageyama to me where, like you're just gay, I don't see you being into girls whatsoever, you just want your best friend no, I could see.

rainbow


18:37

I could see Yamaguchi being bi or pan, but Tsukishima is as far on the homosexual end of that spectrum as you can be, where it almost loops around to him seeming like a mean straight. Yeah, yeah, literally. He's so homosexual that he's homophobic, yeah.

em


18:55

Yeah.

rainbow


18:56

And so, like, what do you like about them?

em


18:58

Well, I like they just really remind me of my homoerotic friendship in high school, which I guess is a mixed bag of feelings, but I do feel like an affection towards them. For that reason I just think Yamaguchi's adorable. I will say I think the one thing I like quote-unquote dislike is I wish Suki was a little nicer to him yeah, I agree.

rainbow


19:18

I think he's a little too cold and I don't know, maybe we can pay attention. Maybe he's a little bit meaner in the beginning, when he's still repressing all of his many different feelings.

em


19:27

There's a moment, and I'm not even gonna say spoiler zone because it is in season four, but like it's just the two of them shopping and he does seem a lot softer, like maybe it's just like when it's just them, he's probably not putting up that front of like oh, shut up Yamaguchi.

rainbow


19:40

I think that's much, very much a public facing thing yeah, yeah, I think that's something and I think he grows out of that. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that moment. That is such a soft moment yes, yeah. I just like I think that when they're together and they're just hanging out like I think they're just having a good time, and I think one of the things I like about them is, you know, Tsukishima always has a guard up and it seems like Yamaguchi is a person he can let his guard down with.

20:09

We can talk about that when we get to season three as well Season two even.

em


20:11

I like that about them and I just love a childhood best friends, and they do seem to be their only friends with each other, like that's all they have. And also totally potentially toxic. Yeah, Maybe not the best thing ever, but yeah, they're definitely like partners in that sense, and I even would buy the headcanon that they are just like quietly dating and they just don't make a thing of it because you know homophobia.

rainbow


20:32

Yeah, OK, so moving like swiftly into tags established relationship.

em


20:36

Established relationship.

rainbow


20:38

Childhood best friends to lovers Exactly, I could see a little bit of hurt comfort with them. I don't mind a little angst there. I could see a little bit of hurt. Comfort with them, I don't mind a little angst. There's one, oh, we'll talk about it Miscommunication, I feel yeah, definitely miscommunication, I think. Feelings. Realization, I think. Internalized homophobia yeah, definitely, definitely something like that. Do you have any favorite ships or favorite fics for this ship?

em


21:02

No, you know, I really have a hard time finding TsukiYama fic yeah, I find all I see a lot more arts.

rainbow


21:09

I feel like yeah, there are some ships where I feel like there's a lot more earth than there is fic, if anyone out there knows really good ones.

em


21:16

Let me know because I definitely remember trying to find them and, like I don't know, I feel like they're always just more like a side pairing or in the background.

rainbow


21:22

Yeah, absolutely, they're definitely in the background of a lot of ships. There is one I remember that I think is called campfire, which is a second year TsukiYama, and it's definitely got some angst, it's definitely got feelings, realization, and maybe that's where, like, some of my headcanon comes from, because it is very much like Tsukishima being like well, I've been in love with yamaguchi since we were kids, and then Yamaguchi starts realizing his feelings and wants to, like, make things happen, and Tsukishima is like, absolutely not, nothing needs to change, things should stay exactly as they are. I can't lose you.

em


21:54

Yeah, kind of thing.

rainbow


21:55

It has some background Kagehina that I enjoy in a side story with them, that's. That's pretty fun.

em


22:06

I just came up with this headcanon right now, but I could see like I love to think of Hinata and Yamaguchi, because I think they become quite the besties, yes, that they commiserate over their grumpy counterparts together, and Yamaguchi is thinking to himself like Hinata is so obviously in love with Kageyama, though, and then he's like wait a minute, what does that mean for me?

rainbow


22:21

Yes, yes, oh, my God. God, I actually love that. That's my new headcanon. Okay, and so what kind of tropes and au's would you like to see for this ship? I like them in a magic au. Sure, for some reason, I just like I, I see them. Yeah, I'm in a fantasy setting.

em


22:38

I could see that I love any, or a sci-fi setting, sci-fi setting jurassic park au has.

rainbow


22:45

Does that exist? Suki shima doesn't think that he wants to be a father. Oh my god. Yeah, because suki would be what's his face? Alan, alan, yes, . And then yamaguchi would be laura dern, totally laura dern. Okay, who's jeff Goldblum? Hang on. Is it tanaka is? Is it somebody from karasuno? Is it Oikawa? Is it? It's Kuroo? It's Kuroo. Oh, it's Kuroo. Oh my god I'm not okay.

em


23:17

Ushi jima is the t-rex. A wise me has to be the t-rex also. There's two of them.

rainbow


23:24

No seijo are the velociraptors, guys get to writing let's go, let's, we've got it. You know what artists take it if you want oh my fucking god.

em


23:35

Yeah, I hope with that. I think we have some artists that listen.

rainbow


23:37

Please, I'm giving you a problem if anyone knows of this art already being created, because we just I that's, it's, we just casted it perfectly.

em


23:46

Yeah, we fucking did. I love that. You said Kuro, that's so perfect. Okay, anyway, so that's TsukiYama.

rainbow


3:53

That was wonderful honestly, we could end this episode. That was perfect. Okay, moving on, we're gonna get a little bit out of Karasuno and we're gonna talk about Kuroken.

em


24:02

I love Kuroken.

rainbow


24:03

They might be my second favorite ship there I I've probably read the most Kuroken. Yeah, you know, after I've read the most Kakahina, they're like the next most read. , yeah, I mean, what do you love about them?

em


24:14

I just first of all they're so. They're just like such a hot couple, like they're individually hot and together they're hot. I just like love their look, their yes, their character designs together. And I also love like, I just really like their dynamic. I like that Kenma is very just like in his own world and Kuro is always taking care of him. Like at one point he sneezes and Kuro catches the thing that he drops out of his hand. Like I eat that shit up so much so I just I have my headcanons that like Kuro's been in love since like day fucking one and has probably been a little bit aware of it. We can go back and forth about how much internalized homophobia we think he has. I think you can make argents for either or. And then Kenma I always feel like is like very emotionally constipated and it takes him a second, but it's always been Kuro.

rainbow


25:02

Yeah, oh, 100 percent. It's always been Kuro. Yeah, oh, 100%, it's always been Kuro. I kind of see less internalized homophobia. I see with Kuro more of that.

25:09

Like I don't want to ruin the friendship yeah or I don't want to, like he wants to wait for Kinma to confess his feelings because he doesn't want to put his feelings on Kinma. I think, like part, I think a little bit for Kuro. The taking care of Kinma kind of like holds him back in a lot of ways and I I think Kinma takes care of Kuro in a lot of ways too. It's just quieter and like I could see this has probably been in fics before where like people are like, oh, Kuroo, you're always taking care of Kinma, like it's so one-sided, blah, blah, blah. This is also in the fandom. But then like I could see Kuro like being so adamant that like no, Kenma takes such good care of me you don't even know but it's just, it's a different kind of care.

25:47

Yeah, and we can talk a little bit about the time skip about how that shows up as well. Yeah, tags childhood best friends to lovers obviously obviously hurt comfort. Pine and crow yeah, pine ink oh my god yeah, that man is pathetic.

em


26:02

He is pathetic for Kenma I could argue that they'd have a long story. Like I think it takes them a while to actually get together like so slow burn.

rainbow


26:10

Yeah, absolutely yeah. I could totally see a slow burn where it's just like over years, where, like you're and I'm sure the fics are out there, or it's like it starts as children and like they slowly, you know, they become closer and crow is realizing his feelings and Kenma still isn't, and then it's like not until they're like fully grown adults.

em


26:26

Yeah, they finally do.

rainbow


26:27

I've also seen ones where, like they didn't realize they were into each other and they like I've read fics I can't remember the name of them, but I've read like a couple where, like they're just like roommates, they live together and they like basically act like a married couple and all of their friends are like what's going on here?

26:40

I think there was one where they even like fake dated because they were tired of people like trying to set them up with other people, and then they're just like oh, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, oh. So we, we have just been married for the past so, roommates, are you fake dating?

em


26:56

are you?

26:57

they're, they're just, they're number one baby, yeah, absolutely  favorite fic, so I am a horrible person and I can't I can't remember any titles right now, which is gonna bother me, but there is one, one of the like first ones I read.

27:14

It is explicit, but it's one where Kuroo comes home from work and Kenma is in a skirt and Kenma like, very shyly, is like get on your knees, and Kuro drops to them like the second he says it and like I, just that's what I, ymy, ymy, is like fucking simp ass. Kuro who would, who is like metaphorically on his knees for Kenma at all times and like Kenma just with a very quiet word, can just sway the winds this way, and that like I will try and find I think it's by a pretty well known author and you guys might know what I'm talking about with my description. Like I will try and find I think it's by a pretty well-known author and you guys might know what I'm talking about with my description, but I'll try and find these fics so we can link them or something.

rainbow


27:51

Yeah no, absolutely. , I love, I love that idea. I love, yeah, simp Kuro is just my absolute favorite. I love like, yeah, like all Kenma has to do is like shift his eyes in a certain way, talk about like royalty, au or something. , my absolute favorite Kuroo kenfic. Actually, I have two. One is oh my god, I can't remember the name of it, and that's gonna really bug me. One of them I've already mentioned on this podcast and it's your mess is mine, which is a vance joy song, but also a Kuroo kin fic, so your mess is mine is a super fun fic. I really love it.

28:31

It's a werewolf, au, oh, where Kuroo is a werewolf and it's just like kind of a normal thing. There's just like some werewolves. It's a secret, like nobody knows about them, but like his, he and they used to live out in the country with like a lot more of their family, but then his, you know Kuro, his dad and his grandma, which I think is a like a common fanon thing that Kuro lives with his dad and his grandma and so they move in next door to Kinma and they become best friends and, you know, Kuroo just slowly falls in love with Kinma and then they meet Bokuto, and Bokuto is also a werewolf and Akashi is as well, and it's just like the. The main conflict is that Kuroo well, there's two, so Kuroo is in love with his best friend and doesn't want him to know, but then also he's a werewolf and has to hide that from Kenma and like when bokuto and Kuroo become friends there's definitely some jealousy from Kenma and it's just one of those ones where they're just so obviously in love and like yaku is there as well and just like knows that Kuroo is in love with Kinma and like. So when Kinma joins them in high school and like Kinma like sits on Kuro's lap at one point just for like comfort and Yaku's like what the fuck? It's like this is worse than I thought it was and it's just, it's really cute.

29:36

And then like Kinma finds out that Kuro's a werewolf and is just totally cool about it. And it has my favorite Kurokin confession which to me, if they do confess in high school, is my headcanon where they're just like Kinma's playing a video game, he's like in Kuro's lap and Kuro's just like watching over his shoulder, and then Kinma like he beats the game and like Kuro knows it and like Kuro just says I'm so in love with you and doesn't realize that he said it out loud, oh my God. And then Kinma's like did you mean that? And then they get together, which I just like that's. That's like what I see for a confession for them is just to like for Kuro to know and to be like no, I can't tell him, like I'll let him come to me, and then just he can't help it. He just says it yeah, because it just comes so naturally normal.

em


30:15

Absolutely Kuro-ken.

rainbow


30:17

they're so obvious with each other that I have to imagine like I can only imagine what the other teammates are thinking my other favorite, Kuroo Kenfic, is a slightly forced letter from the heart, where Kenma and Akashi both write confession letters to their, the person they're in love with, it's in high school, it's canon compliant, but they they. They won't send them, and so Kenma just keeps his in a drawer and Kuroo finds it and starts and is like, oh, a confession letter.

30:53

But he doesn't say like what, it doesn't say who it's to at all, until like the very end. And so Kuroo starts reading it and it's from Kenma's perspective. But you can tell from Kuroo's reaction that he's just slowly getting more and more devastated by the fact that Kinma is into somebody and like, and it starts to become it becomes very clear that the person he's talking about is Kuro, but Kuro's like what you, this person plays volleyball Like. It just becomes clear that like this person sounds just like me, but why isn't it me? And then, like, by the time he gets to the end, like he, like he, because he's like looking up at Kenma and then looking back at the letter, and by the time he gets the end, he's just like his eyes are glued to the letter and when he looks up, Kenma is gone and has like caught a train to go see shoujo, and Kuroo gets on the next train and then goes and like meets up with him.

31:35

It's really really funny, really good. I fucking love it so much. It's really short too. It's like one that I like downloaded to read on a plane, reread on a plane. I'd read it before. So yeah, nice, are there any tropes or a use that you want to see them in? Maybe like a yakuza? Oh, with boss Kenma? Yeah, yeah, and Kuroo says right hand man, I don't know the proper terms. Yeah, japanese mafia, but yeah, no, I totally agree.

em


32:03

All right, that's kroken another very popular ship outside of karasuno iwaoi.

rainbow


32:10

I do love an iwaoi, it's definitely kagehina kroken iwaoi, and then another ship we haven't met yet are definitely like my top four yeah, and I feel like they're the fandom's top four as well.

em


32:21

Most people, I think, love iwaoi. What not to love? There are more established Kagehina, as we talked about in one of our past episodes.

rainbow


32:29

Yeah, I mean I just I love them. Childhood best friends to lovers again, I love you. Know we talk about it a lot that Uwaisi is not under Oikawa's spell. The way that other people are, the way that other people are, yes, he is under Oikawa's spell, begrudgingly that he doesn't realize until later.

em


32:46

I feel like they're another slow burn and I think there's probably a lot more internalized like stuff going on between Oikawa, who is such a ladies man, which is a very and I think we actually have talked about this already but that's a pretty common thing.

rainbow


32:57

Sometimes with people who are deep in the closet, they'll like date a bunch with the opposite sex as a way to kind of like no, no, I like this right, it's a shield yeah, it's a shield, and trying to convince themselves and like, and maybe you know, I don't know how much of it is like clear to him, you know but like, I very much see it as like, well, he just keeps trying with girls over and over again and he's like, but why doesn't it feel the way it feels when I'm hanging out with my best friend?

em


33:21

seriously, and, with the wise of me, it can either be internalized homophobia or anybody.

rainbow


33:26

But Oikawa like he's the kind where when he finds out, he's like fuck no, no, there's literally one of my favorite tiktoks that I have saved on my phone is like the tiktok sound. That's like. I love the trope when a character realizes they're in love with another character, but instead of being shy or bashful about it, they're like no, oh my god, what? Yes, seriously, and like that is a wise man.

em


33:46

He's like him I'm in love with him.

rainbow


33:49

Yeah, he's angry about it, yeah he's embarrassed, he's angry, he's like no one can find out about this, especially Oikawa . But then, yeah, I think as soon as he realized that, realizes that the feelings are reciprocated, like he wants to make it work there's also the well, I guess I can't get into this into the spoiler zone, but like in the time skip, they're separated.

em


34:07

Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that, yeah.

rainbow


34:09

So I mean what's not to love? And I just love both of those characters separately, like on their own, just as individuals.

em


34:24

I love them in their own ways. I also have a lot of hate for Oikawa tolerable in a way, yes, you know, because in the way that he checks him and they balance each other.

rainbow


34:33

And their interactions are just so fun and silly and goofy and also, like you know, Iwa puts up this front of you know beating on Oikawa and blah, blah blah.

em


34:44

But Iwaizumi really, really deeply cares about Oikawa. I think we see that in the way that he keeps an eye on him during the match, keeps him focused on what he needs to do, make sure he doesn't work too hard.

rainbow


34:51

Well, and he does that. You know, in this past game we have that moment where Oikawa fucks up the serve and then Uwaismi gets that point right back for them and he's like there we go, it's even, and it's it's even. And it's like what? And he doesn't do it in a like haha, look at me, like I got that point that you lost. And it's like no, it's like don't. It's like, get out of your head, don't worry about it, let that go, it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, it was very much taking care of Oikawa. Yeah, anyway, em's fist is raised in the air. She's got a gay fist up,  favorite fic. Speaking of speaking of, fisting, no, I, I don't think I've ever read a fisting tag before I have, and you already know who the author is.

em


35:38

But I the way. I was going to make a fisting joke and decided not to, and i'm so glad you came in for me. I had to.

rainbow


35:45

I had to. Yeah, okay, oh, we didn't. Did we do tags? Do you have any tags?

em


35:49

Oh well, yeah so childhood best friends to lovers. I think they're another slow burn.

rainbow


35:54

Angst, a little angsty, a heavy angst, I would say, not light angst.

em


36:00

Yeah, I could see that  alpha omega. No, I mean yes. , I could see a royal tau for them oh, definitely, definitely uppity prince and elizabeth is like his sworn protective knight or whatever, and he gives him his sword. Okay, so, yeah. So anything else for tags before I move on? No, I think we're good. So I know that that the very popular fic for Iwo Oe is.

rainbow


36:28

Conquering the Great King.

em


36:29

Yes, and I have not read that quite yet, but I think the same author did it. They've done several Iwo Oe fics and they're all. This is a very talented writer. Go check them out. But there was one fic and I can't remember the name of it. It's in my book bookmark somewhere. It's a college au and I think Oikawa comes home to visit and it's just like a feelings realization and it's just like I just really love when, when authors you can tell they really understand the character and they bring them to light in such an accurate way, even in these like au's and stuff. And so that that was just. I really enjoyed that.

Rainbow

37:01

I've read a lot more with Iwaoi in the background or as a side ship, like that Daisuga fic I mentioned earlier. That has some some pretty good Iwaoi. Oh, okay, here's one that I really loved. Iwazami Hajime doesn't have a crush, which is it's rated t. It's really cute. , Iwaizumi is a a barista who develops a crush on his customer, Oikawa, and doesn't want to admit it, which, yeah, that's just them. Conquering the great king is pretty good. Give me your shadows, I'll set them ablaze. , which is a magic au. I really liked that one. I'll let you drag me back to earth. That's a really cute one. They have like a shared it's like a shared air and b such airbnb situation. I actually think I just need to read more. Fix with them. That's just them. I feel like I read so many that where they're a side story, but it's always fun yeah, no, they're just, they're a solid classic.

em


37:58

What kind of tropes and au's would you like to see for this ship that you haven't seen before, that I haven't seen before.

rainbow


38:03

I mean I actually would love like an alien Oikawa and han awaisami or vice versa. Yeah, alien awaisami and han Oikawa would be fun. There's plenty of royalty au's out there yeah, yeah, can you think of anything?

em


38:19

just again, more getting.

rainbow


38:21

I like the getting together yeah, I love the getting together. I really very rarely do I enjoy reading an established relationship fic.

em


38:29

I don't know what it is. That's more like.

rainbow


38:30

If I like that writer, I'll enjoy it, but I don't really seek that out specifically yeah, I will even like filter out established relationship if I'm like looking for something, if I especially if I have a bunch of other tags and I'm just seeing a whole bunch of established relationship, I'm like I gotta get this out of here, because AO3 just has such good search options. I love it so much. Their filters are amazing. It is a true archive. Anyway, I could I could talk all day about how much I fucking love that. Okay, moving on, take Yai is our next ship. The adults, the adults yeah, I love them. They're cute. Ukai has a crush on Takeda and doesn't know what to do with it and gets flustered. I like the idea of Takeda making Ukai flustered on purpose. Can I be honest with you?

em


39:16

Yes, I don't know how much. I mean, I ship them, but I'm not super like I don't know. I don't know, I don't really care about them Really. Yeah, I don't know, I think the idea is cute, for sure, but I don't know. I'm just like yeah, whatever, I ship you more with Tanaka's older sister. Oh my gosh, wow, okay. Okay, I'm sorry. Is that homophobic of me?

rainbow


39:44

That's not homophobic of you. I just love talking to you guys so much. I just don't see them as much with anybody else. But you know I mean that's fair.

em


40:01

I get why you wanted to skip them. Now, I just you know they're fine. I think if they had more content to chew on I might be more excited about them. But like I don't know, I just you know they're. They're great coaches, I like, and I like that they're. I love their different dynamics. I like that Ukai is like the mean dad who yells and Taka is like the scary one who like never yells, so when he's disappointed it's even scarier. Yeah, so I think I think they're a really great partnership for the team and like I don't know, I don't know, I think it just depends on the day.

40:31

Right now I'm like, yeah, whatever, ask me on a different day, maybe I'd be more about it. Like I like that dynamic of like this kind of like you know, unfriendly, hardened store owner and then this like very soft and sensitive man who probably writes poetry. I did read a take Ukai fic where I think  Ukai and I'm skipping ahead to the fanfic question where Ukai, I think, finds poems that takara has written or something like that. It's been a long time because I did. I did look into their fic a little bit at one point I, I do love that, I will say so.

rainbow


41:08

There's one like really long fic that I never ended up finishing. That was pretty cute. It was like a feelings realization, canon compliance, like internalized homophobia. , or I should say biphobia, because Ukai was, yeah, internalized homophobia, where, like Ukai's like realizing that he's into Takeda kind of thing.

41:28

Our very own Embi wrote a Ukai Takeda fic that I really love and I hope that they I think they talked about doing like a side story for that, and I hope they do or a continuation, and it's Confessions of a High School Volleyball Coach. Oh my god, and it's super, it's super cute.

41:43

It's just slowly like it's like it's very much like Takeda, like being persistent at the beginning and then, like you know, and like being like, oh wow, he's cute, but the important thing is that he's gonna coach my volleyball team and then they like grow closer together and they, they confess their feelings and it's very cute. I think it's switching POV. There is one fic, that's it.

42:04

Ukai Takeda is almost background in it, but it's called don't talk to me or any of my 14 children ever again, and each chapter focuses on a different player, including the npcs, and it's just, you know, Ukai being a coach to these, these kids, and like kind of stepping into that, not necessarily like parental role, but that like adult who cares for a child role, and it's really sweet. I really like the the chapter with Daichi, I really like the chapter with Kageyama and it's just like very much like Takara, it like they're just kind of in an established relationship. I think the idea is that they kind of got together pretty early on  and it's just really cute and I love it a lot.

42:43

Do you have any tags for this that you'd want to see, like if you were going to read a talk?

em


42:48

a Ukai fic put them in a like a high school or college setting.

rainbow


42:53

Oh yeah, I like that. I also. I'm such a sucker for a single parent, au. I forgot about a fic to mention for Kurooken. Anyway, I, I'll bring that up in a second.

em


43:04

Okay.

rainbow


43:04

But Ukai Takeda, I would love like a little single parent AU where maybe Ukai does like, has to like, take in a child and Takeda is the teacher or something.

em


43:13

They would also be a good candidate for, like, flower shop tattoo parlor, au.

rainbow


43:18

Oh my God, they would be perfect. Yeah, they are made for a talent. I'm sure those fics are out there. Yeah, absolutely okay


43:27

I did want to mention there's another Kuroo kin fic. It is platonic, thankfully, because it's called taking in a toddler, and Kuroo, as like a college student, finds like a little like three-year-old Kenma like abandoned on the street and he has selective mutism and like he takes him in and it's very much. It's it's like a multi-fic series, kind of going through different stages of Kenma's life, and it's a really, really good fic. You should all go check it out. It's super cute. It's very much like kind of takes that like Kuroo caring for Kenma thing, and he's like roommates with boko aka and they all just kind of like start taking care of this child and Kenma becomes best friends with hinata, of course, and hinata is like so hinata and kageyama are siblings and kageyama is like 18 or 19 and has custody of hinata and it's just, it's very sweet, very loving, hurt, comfort. Really good fic  cannot recommend enough. I think that wraps it up for taka Ukai. Are we moving on to kageyama?

em


44:23

last but not least, ladies and gentlemen, yeah, for what we like about this shit, please see the last 25 episodes of our podcast gonna say, yeah, we might not get to because this whole, this whole podcast, because haikyuu is a kagehina fic, this podcast is like no, but you guys obviously know there are number ones. We love them. , what we like about them is like just for me anyway, I'll talk for myself the soulmate-ism of it all. I love that like despite you know, on the surface level they may seem like they don't get on, but they absolutely do, and that they are like two parts of a whole in a way, or like you know, there's that light novel where yachi describes them in the most poetic gay way, that they're like the minute and hour hand on a clock, always going, even if they're not near each other, they're always going in the same direction. They know what to say to each other in like hard moments. Also, I think they look really cute together.

rainbow


45:19

The height difference, the orange hair and the black hair, like I just I love them yeah, they're giving like emo and sunshine and yeah, and they're in, and I like the way that they have their own special way of communicating with just each other and it's very much like a bullying thing and you can definitely see it as like a sibling relationship if you wanted to. But I think if I were that close to my brother and admired him that much, I would need to go to therapy. But I'm just saying, yeah, and I also do like that Kageyama is the younger one. I like that he's like six months younger than Hinata. I think that's cute and I think I've seen it in fic before and it's.


45:52

There's probably even side stories about it where, like Hinata like holds that over Kageyama's head. I mean everything that you said, you know they just it's like everything I want from a ship. And here's something I'm sure I've said this before, but for me, as somebody who, like was a naru sasu shipper back in the day I shipped naruto and sasuke and that ship just doesn't get the same treatment that kagehina does. Like I would not be surprised if furudate watched and read naruto and said, wow, I love these two gay boys.

em


46:22

I'm gonna make this less sad and even more gay, and that's how kagehina were born they're such a power couple, like when they're together on the court, that's the most intimidating thing.

rainbow


46:32

I just yeah, they're they're the volleyball it couple. Yes, yes, the world, exactly, yeah, so love them. I mean, what tags  soulmates? I love a soulmate. Au for the two of them soulmates, rivals to lovers rivals to lovers, not even enemies to lovers, just rivals to lovers. Friends to lovers, partners. I think they even skip the friends. Honestly, I think they go straight from rivals to partners I've made tweets like this before, where like they're.

em


47:00

Or I wrote in my a line that I wrote in my own fic if I may toot my own horn that I was proud of, was like and I'm going to misquote it but it's like partners, blah, blah. Never a friend. He never wanted friendship from Hinata just everything else he had to offer. Yes, and that's very them. It even says in the light novel that they're like, not the type to hang out like Tsukishima and Yamaguchi are, but like they're on the same path. It's like okay, marriage, tag marriage.

rainbow


47:27

Yeah, yeah, no, they are a married couple. I like fully headcanon that like they. We'll talk about it in the time. Skip my headcanons for their future. Yeah, I mean God pick like two fic for them.

em


47:41

So we've talked I think we have talked about favorite fic for kagehina before. So like I've talked about this and like you guys are always welcome to hit me up if you want recommendations, because I have a fucking library and I have I could tell you 10 authors off the top of my head that I want you to check out. So I'll just I'll just name like I recently read snickler doodle j. Jenna is a fantastic writer. They just have a really solid body of work where everything they're very comfort fics to me because there's not a lot of crazy angst or anything. There's some AUs, there's some canon compliance and I just always have a good time with her fics. And she recently came out with Hunger Pains and it's just about them kind of like just getting together in high school, but very good stuff.

rainbow


48:28

Yeah, I mean, we've mentioned a lot. A cell has a lot of really good ones. I've read a lot of really cute ones. There's a cute one that has a lot of different ships in it, but it's called, like true crows, where they're at a training camp and they make a nest of blankets and they all sleep together in it and, like everybody else, wakes up and kagehina are fully cuddling and they have to pretend like they're okay with it.

48:49

Yeah, I mean, there's just so much. Yeah, same with me. Hit me up if you want any recommendations, because, goodness knows, yeah, I've read a ton as well. You could also just look at my bookmarks and filter for kagehina. I have they. I definitely have the most fics for them. Yeah, we can say what kind of tropes are used. Would we like to see for them? But also like, what are your favorite tropes and au's for them?

em


49:08

I have a special place in my heart for, because my absolute favorite kagehina fic is 33 days of mist and mountains, which is them getting together like years later. So I love when people do it just like the time, skip stuff, justice and like a realistic way of them getting together. Because a lot of fics and I I've done it too I am not hating or judging, but like I don't think kakakina are the most lovey-dovey, especially when they're younger. So when fics make them pretty lovey-dovey I'm just like, yeah, not, that's a little out of character for me. So I love a realistic, but like they still have such an intense love story. So when people can kind of nail that dynamic and and any I've read so many different fucking AUs I can't even like think of them all, so I would read them in any universe. But as long as you nail their dynamic correctly, I'm sat.

rainbow


49:57

That's me too. That's me. Kagehina is like. I will read whatever scenario you want to put them in, as long as and like that's something with me, because, like you know, I'll read different ships. I'll even read other Hinata fics where Kugam and him aren't together. I don't really like it where, when, like, they used to be together, when they're like exes, like that, I'm like if they, if there was romance and they get together, they're together for the rest of their lives, even if they're Polly and they're dating other people.

em


50:20

I have no patience for I have very little patience for breakups. Like and makeup maybe I'll read it, but like yeah, or their exes. I emotionally can't handle that.

rainbow


50:29

I don't like exes to lovers. Yeah, for really any ship. There's very few ships where I'm gonna want to read or even write exes to lovers, but with Kage Hina, like I like when I read a fic, where Hinata or Kageyama is shipped with somebody else but the author still understands the importance of their bond like they still understand that, like these two are connected, there's nothing I hate more when it's just like oh, Kageyama, yeah, we, we used to play volleyball together.

50:55

Because it's like no, the whole fucking series is about the two of them and their rivalry and their connection. And furudate even released that like little one shot special game thing where it was just like yeah, don't forget, these two are still rivals, they're still trying to beat each other. They're gonna. They're gonna keep going yeah yeah, okay, anything else for kagehina before we do a quick spoiler zone yeah, we gotta jump into the spoiler zone.

51:21

, you know, kagehina for life yeah, kagehina canon yeah, they're my absolute favorite yeah, we're gonna do a quick socials twitter, instagram, Tumblr and blue sky fly hq pod. Fly hq pod and you can send us an email. Fly hq pod at gmail dot com. Fly hq pod at gmail dot com. We love to hear from you. We want to hear all of your thoughts about all of these different ships.

em


51:46

Sorry, we didn't get to the rare pairs in this one, but we'll do another one Should have known that it was going to take us a good hour just to get through the main guys. Yeah.

rainbow


51:53

I was very ambitious when I put that, anyway, okay, so moving on, we're getting into the spoiler zone. Goodbye to all of you who don't want to be spoiled about time. Skip stuff.

em


52:02

Yep, this is all going to be time skip stuff.

rainbow


52:04

Yeah, yeah, all right. So daisuga  Daichi is unfortunately a cop. We don't like that, but we just have to deal with it.

em


52:10

You know what he's a? He's a japanese cop.

rainbow


52:12

He's a japanese cop and he's, like it seems, very community oriented. I have a problem with the very concept of policing. That's on it, honestly, what bothers me. So I like for them.

em


52:22

I would love, a fic where you know, because suga is a elementary school teacher, so classic. I'd love for Daichi to be like a single dad and meet Suga and fall in love yeah, absolutely, I also love.

rainbow


52:35

I mean I think they, like you know, established relationship. I think if they get together in high school, they're definitely still together in the time skip and they're they're hanging out. I also like the idea of like maybe there's like a career day at school or something and Daichi comes in and that's how they meet, that's cute, yeah, and he likes how he looks in his uniform, yeah absolutely TsukiYama, TsukiYama, are we skipping asaNoya?

em


52:59

no, we're not.

rainbow


52:59

AsaNoya is what I want to talk about okay, because asaNoya, so the time skip really reinforced asaNoya. Oh my god, because they go on a quote whirlwind tour together during the Olympics Like they're not there watching the Olympic game with Daichi and Suga and the other people from Karasuno, because they're traveling the world together. They started at the North Pole and they got married at the North Pole and their honeymoon is traveling the world together. Tell me it's not.

em


53:29

Dude, I actually I deleted my TikTok, but my old tiktok, one of the ones that blew up, was me talking about how each pairing got together and I said in AsiNoya's not at all gay worldwide trip is that they confess to each other somewhere in Greece. I think is what I said. But yeah, no, I would love a fic and I maybe and maybe it exists, but like a long form fic where it goes throughout their whole journey and them slowly realizing their feelings for each other and then hooking up at some point along the way. But yeah, I know the fact that they are. You fucking kidding me.

rainbow


54:01

That is the gayest shit I've ever heard yeah, going on a world tour with your friend, because you're not gay get the fuck out of here, get the fuck.

54:09

Yeah, there was an asa Noya fic I read where, like Noya was off, you know, traveling it was canon compliant and asa he went and like stayed with Noya, I think it was in paris, so of course I loved that and they, they got together and it was. It was very sweet and I think that's what happens. I think also, he like decides, like okay, I'm gonna you know what, I'm going to be more adventurous and I'm going to go hang out with Noya and then, like they confess their feelings to each other and they have a lovely time and they fuck with the Eiffel Tower in the background through the window. Love that for them.

54:42

And something I wanted to say about Ozzy and how hot he is, is like he becomes a fashion designer.

em


54:49

Like hot he is is like he becomes a fashion designer like, right, that's so cool.

rainbow


54:51

Yeah, he looks very cool and he has glasses. Now, yeah, let's talk about characters with glasses.

em


54:54

Okay, yeah, so that's asaNoya TsukiYama all, I don't have much for them. Time skip, but suki does go on to be like what. Division three volleyball division. Two volleyball hours and you know, yamaguchi goes to every single game yamaguchi is at every yeah, they're married.

rainbow


55:09

Yeah, they did the like yuri on ice putting rings on each other in a church because they can't legally get married thing. , yeah, no, they're definitely married. Yamaguchi is at every single one of his games. He's got all the merch. It's actually embarrassing for Tsukishima. Yamaguchi will like, yell, like yeah go suki and Tsukishima like pretends like it bothers him. Yeah okay, Kuroo ken. , Kenma is Kuroo's sugar daddy, but they're in a married relationship.

em


55:39

Yeah, I mean, I just think they're such a power couple, especially in their adult years, and there's a ton of fan art and stuff of like Kuroo can being found out because Kenma forgot to turn off his stream and Kuro comes in and gives him a kiss.

rainbow


55:52

Yeah, I've seen a lot of fics like that. I've read a few fics as well where, like, they're all YouTubers, or like one, where, like, Kenma was a YouTuber and Kuro like becomes his editor and they fall in love through that. It's just like they, yeah, they live in that house together. Yeah, yeah. Kenma is like let me repay you, Kuroo, for all the care you've taken of me by buying you every single thing you could possibly want.

em


56:11

Oh, absolutely yeah, With Iwaoi. So what I wanted to get into with their angst is, you know, there's kind of canon placed angst of you know, Oikawa goes off to Argentina and then Owaisi goes to California for college, so they are separated by distance for quite a bit, and I think there's a lot of angst that you can play with there.

rainbow


56:31

Oikawa not only goes to Argentina but becomes a citizen. Like he plays on their Olympic team. Like you can't just do that without becoming like I don't know if it's like full citizenship or if he does a dual citizenship thing and I think I've seen like fics around that. I think for me that angst is almost a little too much. Like I don't know if I want to sit with that for like chapters and chapters. But I could see them pulling off long distance. I could see them being okay with like you know what? We had our whole childhoods together. We had all of high school. You know we'll see each other when we can.

57:02

You know, like Oikawa's a successful professional athlete. There's lots of like national or international tournaments because you know, Iwaizumi works with the japanese national team. Like I think they have their opportunities and for me it's kind of one of those things. This is actually a quote from the marvelous mrs maisell. We haven't even gotten to this episode, but like we'd be apart so often, but like when we get together, like coming back together would be magical yeah you know, and kind of like the absence makes your heart grow fonder, kind of thing, and maybe that is kind of good for them in a way.

57:31

Like maybe if they were like living together all the time, like maybe that they would tear each other apart because you know, that's the thing about relationships. You know, like we're not all on this heteronormative, gender normative, monogamous path where, like you're with this person and you have to live with them in this house and you have to sleep in the same bed every night, and like it doesn't have to be that way. You can be in a loving, committed relationship with somebody for the rest of your life and live on different continents, like yeah like takahina couldn't be me.

58:00

 no, I did long distance for nine months and I said, I've only known you for 10 months, but you, you're going to live with me now.

em


58:08

And here we are a year plus later, folks, yes, yeah.

rainbow


58:10

So that's Iwaoi For TakeUkai. We don't have to talk too much. I think you know they're together. And then KageHina time skip.

em


58:19

Well, you know, we kind of talked a little bit about this, but I could see them getting together more, like realistically, like I could see, especially at least Hinata telling himself, like no, because the way that when he's in Brazil he seems to have this attitude of like I really shouldn't interact with Kageyama more than necessary because I'm still working on myself, yes, and like my man deserves the best version of me, kind of thing. Go fuck yourself. That's so cute. So I could see Hinata almost treating it like okay, I'm gonna confess to Kageyama after I make the Nationals team, after we do the Olympics together. That's like the ultimate stage. Then I can have him, then we can be together.

rainbow


58:53

That's kind of what I see for them a lot of the time. I could see them getting together after the Jack Adler. I could see them fucking after the Jack Adler's game, but like it just being, oh, that was just like a like, it's like they just they both are able to like frame it as like oh, that was just like we're attracted to each other, but like they are not ready to admit that they're like deeply in love with each other that and also I think what you were just saying about you know, not following a very specific path that you usually get like volleyball always comes first for both of them.

em


59:22

So I think throughout their working life that is still the case and that's not a hard feeling for either of them. I think they're very much on the same page and when they can be together they can be together, but I think they can go stretches without seeing each other, like they're not a very typical couple in that way, until they retire to a quiet house in Miyagi and spend their days coaching teens here's my headcanon and like this is not something I do with a lot of ships and this is how I knew Kagehina was a special ship for me.

rainbow


59:48

Like I normally just think about like, oh, they get together and then blah, blah, blah. I never really think about them like living together, even like getting married, having kids, whatever. I think Kagehina, yeah, they are like in an open, long distance relationship, maybe starting with Jack Adler's game, maybe starting with their first Olympics together. But like they, they, you know they're very comfortable, they're very secure, they know that like, yes, you are my, like, they're rivals first, partner second, lovers, third, yeah kind of thing. And like they, just they know that and like they, they always feel that connection. And then they both retire around the same time. I'm sure whoever retires first is gonna, or whoever retires last is gonna rub it in the other one's face like, haha, I lasted, I stayed on the court longer, I like court longer than you.

em


01:00:28

I like to think that it's like you know, because I don't think they would ever choose. I think it's their bodies giving out. So like first, like it's either first Hinata's knees give out and then like Kageyama's elbows and shoulders give out, or vice versa.

rainbow


01:00:40

Yeah.

em


01:00:40

But I like to also think that they retire within a short amount of time, like maybe within a year of each other.

rainbow


01:00:45

Yeah, no, absolutely yeah. And then they and maybe they already have the house bought, it's just been waiting for them and they live together. , I don't even know if they have to sleep in the same bed. Maybe they have three rooms and they each have their own and then they have a room that's for them together. Yeah, yeah, you, you imagine them sleeping in the same room.


01:01:10

I'm too soft, you are, it's okay, but no, and I think they have, like I think they have their, their tally on their on the wall. They have like a scoreboard in their living room that keeps track of their tally. Yeah, I have headcanons that they coach at different schools so that they can, they can coach rival schools. I even that they do training camps together that like their team, like it's like a Nekoma karasuno thing. Yeah, but in miyagi, where, like their teams are together and like you know they always, you know it's it's always like, okay, who's gonna go to nationals, and when one team goes to nationals, the other team goes and supports them. I don't know how that would work with school.


01:01:36

That probably wouldn't be allowed, but whatever, I'm making it happen yeah and like I think that I think they try to choose schools that are like equidistant from their house so they can rate, they leave at the same time and they can race home and see who gets home first. I think they get like pets together. I even could see them deciding to have a child and like I have like an idea for like a cute little one shot of like them being like we want to have a baby and then like every all of their friends coming in, being like OK, but are you sure? Yeah, really know what that means. And then like them being like and them fighting over like our no, our kid's gonna be a spiker. No, they're gonna be a setter. No, they're gonna be a spiker.


01:02:12

Guys, what if your kid doesn't like volleyball? And they're like we didn't think about that possibility and yeah. And then I think they just grow old together. I think they have a backyard with a volleyball net, like coach with like grandpa Ukai and like even after they can't coach like at a school anymore, they like kids come over and they like die together on the volleyball court fucking literally.

em


01:02:31

And scene yeah, so that is our ship talk. Thank you, guys. I hope you enjoyed that. We will do another episode where we get to dive more into the rarer pairings, yes, so hang on tight for that. Maybe that'll be like a mid-season break or something like that, but again, you know, thank you for sticking with us through season one and we're excited to see you for season two. Yeah, absolutely.

rainbow


01:02:55

And we hope you let us know how you feel about all these ships. Yes, we want to hear your headcanons. Thick recommendations are always welcome. We love them as our fan art recommendations.

em


01:03:05

Hell yeah, all right, everyone, until recommendations. Hell yeah, all right, everyone, until next time. Fly high and be gay and be gay.